Pandemic 2009 - The Mad Dash for the Border!
Charging headlong into the Pandemic of 2009, I am driving across Mexico heading for the United States of Disease and Debt!
On Monday, Allie and I decided to push our move up by about 1 month. In support of that decision, we flew her to North Carolina to spend some time with her family. That left me and Chico stranded in Mexico, a country that is spiraling into chaos and pandemonium. Actually, it isn’t! Most everyone is going about their business like they do everyday. The difference is there are less tourist around, which is nice.
Since, I didn’t want to drive across country alone, I invited my friend Jeff Knight down to witness the apocalypse first hand. With just a couple of hours notice, he boarded a plane against the recommendations of his trusted gubberment.
I picked him up. We packed all my crap into the 4 Runner and the three of us left Playa yesterday afternoon. You wouldn’t believe it, but all the crap fit, that is everything I wanted to take. However, the truck is riding on the stops. It isn’t the most comfortable ride, but it works.
Last night we spent a lovely evening in Merida at Luz en Yucatan, an AWESOME hotel. We also ate dinner on the Plaza Mayor and saw some sites. Today we are heading for Veracruz. I need to make the border in less then 5 days because of Chico's papers.
I am sure you are wondering two things. What will happen to Quiet Diver? Why are you moving? Well, the blog will continue on! Patrick will continue to write for it and I will be writing about my wreck diving exploits and learnings from NJ. As well, we still have open projects in Mexico to write about. When I left, I had just buttoned up about 5500ft of resurvey and exploration at my project site and I am starting the drawing process. So, that will be fodder for the publishing beast. Patrick is working on several cool projects. And believe it or not, the Pit project continues. Just a couple of days ago, I retrieved some of our deep bailout and bailed out at 300ft. So there is plenty of material.
Now, you ask why are you moving!? Well, Allie is pregnant with our first child, a boy. We want to be near our family for the first year and milk them for all they are worth. You know, baby sitting, money, and stuff! The reality is that living in Mexico is really nice but we are isolated from our families. So, we are heading home for now to work on our newest project, Project Mini-Me!
On a final note, if you have dug into this site you would know that Allie and I make our living by building web sites and web applications. One of our most recent projects was a new blog for Protec Advanced Training facility. Matt, Nando and Patrick are now publishing regular updates to thier blog. So, if I am not keeping you filled up on news and factoids, head over to Protec's Blog and read up a little. And if you need a blog or a web site for your business, email me at hans@quietdiver.com. We are very competitive!
Keep reading!
April 30, 2009 5 Comments
Brain Kakuk is Making More Progress on Abaco Island.
Brian Kakuk has posted another entertaining entry in his exploration log. The post details Brian's progress as he approaches the 1 mile mark in Dan's Cave. The latest dive required 5 80 stages and two sidemount LP85s. He is diving on Nitrox and reaching a depth in excess of 160ft. I definitely enjoyed reading about it. Make sure you scroll to the bottom of the page....
Right now I am in NJ paying my taxes and taking care of some other business. I am really missing the caves and my friends in Playa!
On a seperate but related note, my web design company, Cyber X Designs, just launched Protec's blog site at http://www.protecblog.com. If you want to follow the characters over at Protec as they guide, instruct, explore and fun dive head over to thier blog and leave a comment!
April 11, 2009 2 Comments
The Happy Accident – Seeking Cenote Pabilany from Grand Cenote
Patrick and I decided that we needed to go for a nice easy dive, one that wouldn’t include a huge pile of tanks or the mixing of exotic gases. The answer seemed clear, go looking for Cenote Pabilany in Sistema Sac Actun (Grand Cenote).
The journey to this decision started last year or the year before. Patrick was diving his Megalodon in the western end of the Sistema Sac Actun. He was near the Pabilany section but he was on the Paso de Los Pozos side. He wanted to continue but found the restrictions a bit tight in the rebreather. He finally retreated and decided to return in sidemount. As time passed, the idea of diving this section of cave stayed with him, I moved into town and then we both got scooters.
With all the requisite gear and skills, we decided to scooter up there in sidemount with a single stage to check things out. We sat down on Tuesday night and spent a couple of hours debating the best gas management rules for a scooter dive of this nature, finally settling on what we believe to be an innovative approach. Secure in our planning we decided to dive on Thursday.
The dive plan was as follows: scooter up the main line jumping to the Paso de Lagarto. Continue scootering eventually jumping to the line to Lithium Sunset. When we reached our stage pressure or the T at Lithium Sunset we would stage the scooters and the tanks. We would swim north on the Lithium Sunset line looking for the jump into Pabilany. Once we found it, we would make the jump and a short foray into that section of cave.
The dive went almost according to plan. The first obstacle was planning the dive. Looking at the cave map and estimating the depths it looked like we might get into some deco with air. Therefore, we decided to take O2, luckily the average depth was much shallower then we anticipated and the O2 was unneeded, which brings us to the irony of this dive. Patrick and I wanted to make a simple relaxed dive. Instead we ended up needing 4 tanks and a scooter each. I guess when you compare that to needing 6 people and 35 tanks, this was a relatively simple and easy dive, but it was still not a no-brainer.
The second small obstacle was an exiting team. When we got to the jump off the main line, there was a team of three exiting in backmount swimming with double stages. We gave them the courtesy of waiting for them to completely exit the area before installing our jump. This ended up taking 4-5 minutes as they lumbered through. Not a huge deal, but hanging out and waiting, cuts into your stage and scooter time.
When Patrick and I scootered up to the T, our run time was about 23 minutes and we were both nearing our stage drop pressure. It was serendipity. We dropped our scooters and then our stage tanks. In those 23 minutes, we coved about 2300ft, installed two jumps and a primary reel. It was awesome. The last time I swam to this spot it took us about 55-60 minutes to reach it. I felt like we made pretty good time!
We started heading north looking for the jump. We came to an arrow and decided to make the jump left. We swam past a T, taking it to the left. At this point the cave got tight with an aggressive saw tooth shape. Then the line doubled back on itself and disappeared into a no-mount restriction. Well, the truth is Patrick made it through with both tanks on and I had to remove one tank to pass. The line through the restriction was on the ceiling in an awkward position. Patrick squeezed through first with a lot of silting. I followed him using the brail method. The restriction required angling the body and ascending. It was challenging and doing it in zero visibility made me nervous.
On the other side the cave opens up a bit and then pinches down. I started to follow Patrick up, but the silting was just too much and my nerves were starting to fray. Add to that the line was slack when we first entered the room and Patrick was actively fixing it as I followed. Finally, I ran into his fins and decided I had enough. I backed out and into the bigger room. I decided to wait for him and meditate a bit. When he returned a couple of minutes later I gave him the “Turn the Dive” sign. By this time I had calmed down however he could tell I was a bit scared by the look on my face. I hovered for a minute more and meditated. I wanted to relax and prepare myself for passing the restriction a second time in zero visibility.
I descended back into the restriction and got a little stuck. After a couple of seconds of fidgeting I popped out the other side and a wave of relief washed over me.
There is something exponentially more terrifying about following someone in extremely restricted silty cave then leading into that same environment. All I could see was waves of silt coming down the slope, I had no idea where we were heading. It ends up that Patrick surfaced just ahead of me in Cenote Azteca. The last jump we made wasn’t to Pabilany at all. We had missed the jump to Pabilany.
Once Patrick came through the restriction we gave each other the fist and started our return swim. Our short stint up to Cenote Azteca didn’t use much gas, maybe a couple hundred PSI out of each tank. So when we arrived at the T, we decided to check it out. We swam north at a leisurely pass. The cave was bigger and relaxing. We passed over at least one jump and finally turned the dive at a single tank no-mount restriction. We were nearing our turn pressures so we didn’t attempt the restriction. When we reviewed the map we discovered we were in First Hope.
The trip home was flawless and we used less gas then on the trip in. When we reached the O2 we had 90min of NDL, which was a comforting discovery. Patrick and I both found the dive very satisfying. It included sidemount cave, scootering, no-mount restrictions, and some very beautiful cave. Our gas planning worked like a charm and gave us additional flexibility in the execution of the dive. The only shortcoming was that we didn’t find Pabilany, though it did result in the happy accident of finding Azteca.
April 2, 2009 1 Comment
When should I get a rebreather?
When should I get a rebreather?
Is it best to get some good caving experience before I go rebreather or is it preferred to get on RB as soon as you can? I know that I will definitely go RB one day, but I want to make sure I am not going too fast down that path.
I am Intro to Cave right now with 20 cave dives/ 250 total dives. — khacken, Cave Divers Forum
I saw this question on Cave Divers Forum today and started to write a short response that turned into a long response ad now it is a Blog post.
This is a pretty interesting question. I learned to cave dive on OC back mount. Then I learned how to dive CCR and did a bunch of CCR wreck dives. Then I moved to Mexico and started CCR Cave diving. Then I learned sidemount and found myself doing 80% of my dives, even in big cave in sidemount. I have a couple of observations I would like to offer:
1. It is very easy to go beyond your limits with a CCR and not know it. If you are only CCR diving, you have to calculate/guesstimate how long your bailout will last you in a very dynamic situation. If you underestimate, you drown. I think it is worth while to have dived many of those situations open circuit to see how the environment and situation will change your gas consumption. This is in the same vein as swimming before scootering discussion.
2. Many many many situations in cave diving are not optimally handled on CCR. Therefore, it is beneficial to have a broad set of options to solve your problem. Is the cave small? Go sidemount. Is it unexplored? Go with some 40's to check it out. Are tanks and sorb available? Use double 80's or go sidemount. Is your CCR broken or too expensive for the dive? Use OC. Do you really want to spend your time setting up/breaking down your CCR for every dive? NO! Is the cave deep? Use CCR.There is one big caveat to this point, you need to analyze your diving and determine if you dive frequently enough to switch between OC and CCR and maintain two skill sets. OC and CCR are different beasts and require different muscle memory. If you dive sporadically, I suggest you dive only one system and you dive it in forgiving environments. If you dive often, then you might be able to practice both often enough to be good at both, but this is very tough. Sometimes when I am off the CCR for a month or more, I find it challenging for a dive or two.
3. Lets look at a side-by-side comparison of cost for diving.Typical shallow 3 hour cave dive cost the following for consumables. The figures are USD.
Typical OC Cave Dive
Entrance: $10.00
Fuel: $10.00
Fills: $12.00 (3 Single 80's with Fill)
Total: $32.00
Typical CCR Cave Dive
Entrance: $10.00
Fuel: $10.00
B/O Fills: $8.00 (2 Single 80's with Fill)
O2: $12.00 (12cuft)
Dil: $3.00 (19cuft)
Sorb: $30.00
Total: $73.00
Add to the financial cost there is a time cost. First it takes me 30-40 minutes to setup the CCR and then it takes 20-40 minutes to break down the CCR. When I am on site, I need to check the unit and pre-breath it on top of my normal S drill. This doesn’t include the costs for O2 sensors or flying the CCR around or fixing it when you drop it. I also didn’t include the cost of servicing the regulators, because you need the same number or more with CCR. Remember with CCR, you need Dil, O2 and B/O regulators.
I am sure there are more reasons to choose one approach or another. I can tell you that Patrick and I both own Megalodons and only dive them deep (>60ft). Therefore, 80% of our diving is open circuit.
I think it is prudent to really consider where you are going to dive and the specific situations you will find yourself in. If you cannot do that because of lack of experience, you need to seek the best possible training and gain the broadest experience possible. Because you are already an Intro to Cave Diver, become a Cave Diver and make some dives. Gain some experience. Then start to layer on more technology, such as rebreather, scooter and stages.
So much of technical diving is about planning and choosing the right equipment and procedures. Whether to dive OC or CCR, is one of those choices.
A great example is a dive I did with Santiago last week. We dove the Lins/Walton line at The Pit. I was diving CCR and Santi was diving OC. We planned to make a 20 minute dive to 245ft. When we got to 210ft at 6 minutes we found the end of the line. I signaled to Santi asking him if I should tie in my reel? He said yes and we went on. We immediately found going cave and added 100+ft of line to the system and brought the end of the line to 238ft. We tied off the newly laid line, installed our arrow and head up. At 220ft, I found another lead with a nasty silty bottom pinching down. After some inspection, I decided it was too nasty to attempt in CCR and I made the decision to return in sidemount to check out the lead. I haven’t returned because I haven’t had the time. However, because I know both systems, I have the option.
CCR was the perfect choice for the initial dive. I used about $6 HE, $6 O2, $30 Sorb. Santi used about $100 HE, $40 O2. I did my initial exploration on the cheap. Next time, I will go in sidemount and check out the lead. It will cost more, but I will have a clear objective and the right tool for the job. Fortunately, because I have a broad base of experience and more then just a hammer in my tool box, I don’t have to use a hammer on that screw.
I love my rebreather, I think it is an awesome tool that has enabled me to dive many places that few people will. However, it is not always the right tool for the job and is not a panacea of safety. Rebreathers fail and so you have to carry bailout. If you bailout, you had better be sure of how much gas you need, because if you are not, fear will creep into your lizard brain and things will go to shit. Therefore, if you are technical diving a rebreather and until we have truly fault-tolerate rebreathers or bailout rebreathers are standard issue, you need to have a foundation in open circuit. The best way to develop that foundation is by diving open circuit.
April 1, 2009 3 Comments
Remarkable Progress at The Pit!
Patrick and I are happy to announce a HUGE success at The Pit. After a lot of deliberation yesterday morning and discussions with our partners, we decided to make a single alpine attempt at pushing the end of the line at The Pit. We came to the conclusion that using the habitat and support was too much of a burden and elected to go to the end of the line with one scooter each, no support, zero VPM-B conservatism and limited bailout. We decided to not use bailout after we realized that loading 35 tanks into the jungle was more of a risk then the possibility of bailing out. Additionally, we recently perfected the team skill of CCR buddy breathing.
On Tuesday morning, we packed up our gear and headed to the dive site about noon and were in the water at 1PM. The decision netted a significant addition to the end of the line. We are still tabulating our survey data but it looks like we added more then 1500ft of line. The dive took us about 7.5 hours using 7/70 for diluent.
I want to thank our significant others for supporting our effort and the rest of the team for not standing in the way. The dive was a huge success and will serve as a model for future dives at The Pit.
If you are interested in learning CCR Buddy Breathing, I can make a video of it available to you directly for $4USD per copy. In a couple of weeks, we will write a full article on our recent success and we will be posting our raw survey data on line in the name of safety and future dive planning. We expect Jill's Chamber and Next Generation Tunnel to be a popular dive site with the launch of the new Mark 6 Technical CCR.
Note: This was an April Fools Day post..... Your milage may vary.
April 1, 2009 11 Comments
Update to My Cave Diving Helmet
About a year ago I wrote my original Cave Diving Helmet article. Since then my diving has rapidly evolved calling for ever more refinement in my helmet. Following are some photos of two revisions of my helmet. The photos with the yellow backup lights is what I call revision two. It was sufficient for sidemount diving. I used it to do a bunch of survey and 100 sidemount dives. It was still a little too bulky and presented a lot of drag.
The photos with the single light head holder is revision three. This came about when I started to scooter deep cave with my CCR and realized I needed the minimum amount of drag and tightest fit to stop the helmet from moving when I was zipping along. Additionally, I learned that my backup lights interfered with my T pieces on my over the shoulder counter lungs.
The things to notice are:
- I changed the shape of the helmet by slicing it down the middle and clamshelling it. It sits very tight to my head now and doesn't move at all.
- I got rid of the flimsy black PVC and created a nice new holder out of white pvc. I also created some wedges for adjusting the focus of the light for scootering. Also, I rounded the edges of the PVC to allow easier insertion of the light head.
- The teal helmet is the original helmet, I have a backup encase I blunder when cutting. You can see the difference in fit and shape. And a serious lack of holes.
- Like all things in cave diving, my helmet and my needs have gotten very specific. For CCR, I need one light configuration. For sidemount/survey/exploration I need a different configuration. I have not reconciled how I am going to switch back and fourth. Maybe the teal helmet will fill one role and the purple one the other role.
- I am migrating away from the SL4 LED lights to the Intova light. Having 8 C-Cell batteries on your head is heavy.
I think that is all, just wanted to write a quick article. Enjoy and I look forward to you comments!
March 24, 2009 3 Comments
Hydro Atlantic and Lowrance Wrecks.
On Sunday, I flew up to Florida for a little diving vacation. Andrew Driver had put together a wreck diving trip with plans to dive the Hydro Atlantic, Lowrance and the RB Johnson. And if the team jelled nicely, we might get to dive some more interesting wrecks. The cast of characters would include Eric Goldstein, Jim Moore and me. Luckily, we all arrived on time with all our gear undamaged. We would be diving on the Avid Diver captained by Oliver.
The first challenge was re-assembling my rebreather and finding the right amount of weight for saltwater and a bit more underwear then I would wear in Florida. After some struggling to find the requisite lead, the rebreather came together. The only other challenge was that there were no tanks with the valves in the correct position to de-invert the tanks. So, once again I had to change my configuration and go valves down. I find traveling with the rebreather very frustrating. I loath changing my configuration, especially when I spent so much time dialing the unit in Mexico. The addition of the weight for saltwater and the changing of the tanks really throws the whole thing out of balance and kills my trim. I think when I go back to Mexico, I am going to return to diving with inverted tanks and figure out how to balance the unit that way. I need to find a way to mitigate this frustration and time spent changing my configuration around based on my location. Enough of that, now on to the diving.
On Monday, we visited the Hydro Atlantic. The Hydro Atlantic sits in 170ft of water. It is a real wreck, not an artificial reef. It was originally a cable laying ship.
The plan was to hot drop on the wreck. It would be the first time that either Eric or I had done a hot drop and the current was really ripping. The first attempt we missed the wreck. Visibility was about 25ft, I think we may have just drifted by the wreck as it lies south/north and the same direction of the current. We surfaced and starting looking for the solo diver that went ahead of us. We he turned up we retrieved him. Once we had him in the boat, we made a second drop and did a 25min BT. It was a very cool dive. RT was about 50 minutes. Our max depth was 160ft on the second dive.
Today, the forecast was calling for 5-7 and building. We elected to head out and try for the Lowrance. It was questionable when we arrived, there were some 5-6 rollers though the chop wasn't too bad. After some discussion, we decided to dive but curtail our bottom time.
We hot dropped and landed right on the wreck, it was an awesome experience! I felt like we really had done something pretty cool. We did about 25min on the wreck. Run time was about 70minutes. Our max depth was 190ft. We had planned on 40min but curtailed it due to weather. The big bonus was the big, 5-6ft tall, sun fish hanging out on the wheel house at 140ft. We were 2-3 feet away and he was just hanging out. The deco went smoothly, Jim sent the bag. The three of us hovered around him. When we got out the seas had built a little, but not to anything unmanageable.
I guess that is all for today. Tomorrow, we are planning to dive the Lowrance again. I am looking forward to another dive on the wreck.
February 17, 2009 2 Comments
Wreck Diving and The Pit
Hello trusty readers! This week I find myself in South Florida with Andrew Driver of Blue Foot Diving. I am here for 5 days of wreck diving. In about 20 minutes we will be leaving for the Lowarance. It is in about 170ft of water. The plan is to do a hot drop, swim around the wreck for 40 minutes and then deco out in the drift. I think it is going to be a very cool dive. I will write more about it later today.
In the mean time, while you are at work slaving away, enjoy this video by Pietro. Pietro is a fabulous videographer and photographer in Playa del Carmen. He is also a super nice guy! The video is of a dive upstream from The Pit at Dos Ojos. I think you might find the shots of the road and the gear setup interesting. It think it provides a little perspective on the logistical challenges of diving at The Pit. In any event, enjoy it is worth while!
February 16, 2009 1 Comment
The Grass is Always Greener…
Today, I followed a link from Cave Divers Forum to a Kayaker's website to watch his video of hucking a 50ft waterfall. It was super cool. From that site, I visited his photographer's site, Tyler Roemer Photography Blog and spent some time gazing at his photos. Holy crap they are amazing. Tyler's photos are of the mountains and young people doing the things you do in the mountains: hiking snowboarding, cycling and climbing. It really got my heart to go pitter pater. There is something missing here on the Yucatan, green rolling hills and mountains. Granted the scrub jungle, the beaches and the caves are beautiful, however they are not lush green mountains and snow. Lately, I have been thinking about moving to the mountains again. 13 years ago, I lived in Keystone, Colorado. That is where I met Allie, my wife. We were snowboard bums working at the resort loading skis onto the gondola. I hiked in the back country a couple of days a week, in the winter. And in the summer I mountain biked and fly fished. It was really a beautiful place. I left Colorado for two reasons. First, Allie left to go to school and I was lonely. Second, I didn't want to snowboard anymore. I had been skiing every weekend since I was seven years old and I didn't want to be cold anymore. I get really nasty headaches when my head is cold. So one day in the spring I hung my snowboard up and bought a mountain bike. I have only been snowboarding a handful of times since. Well, the short of the story is that I have been thinking about the mountains a lot lately. I am not going anywhere anytime soon I still have work to be done here on the Yucatan. I guess the grass is always greener on the other side.
On a releated note, recently I have been captured by the awesome beauty we have all around us. Brain Kakuk has been turning in some amazing photos of the Helictities in Dan's Cave in Abaco, Bahamas. You can see some of the photos of the formations here and here. I am filled with amazement to get to see this stuff, it really enriches my life. Thank god for the internet!
In a week I am flying to Florida for almost two weeks of diving. The first week will be deep wrecks out of Ft. Lauderdale with Blue Foot Diving and the second week will be cave diving in north Florida to do my Cave CCR Crossover with Ted McCoy. As you can imagine, the mad rush is on to get all my work buttoned up and to do some dives in my dry suit. The wackiest thing is to realize that I am taking vacactions from Playa del Carmen, Mexico. It has become home and I am ready to travel away from paradise already.
Some of my photos from a mountain bike ride from Teluride, Colorado to Moab, Utah. It tooks us 7 days. Awesome ride!
February 6, 2009 2 Comments
Abaco Island Cave Exploration, Dreaming About Diving and Setting Depth Records
Every once in a while I read about some really cool diving that is going on that reminds me how basic the stuff I am doing is. Brain Kakuk is continuing to make headway in the Bahamas and has blessed us with a write up about exploration at Dan's Cave on Abaco Island. Take five minutes are read about it, it got my juices flowing.
Cave Exploration in Dan's Cave on Abaco Island, Bahamas.
When you are done reading about the diving, make sure to check out his photo gallery, the formations are stunning!
Now that we have that out of the way, do you ever dream about diving? Well, I do! And last night I had the craziest dream. I thought you might enjoy a retelling, it is ridicules. So, the dream started in the middle of a dive at The Pit. Victor, Santiago and myself were working our way into the BMB passage. (I haven't been there yet, so I don't know what it looks like.) In my dream, the passage narrowed down the width of two people and angled down. Then the passage continued through a hole in the floor. The line was run was against the ceiling entering the passage, onto the floor and then against the ceiling through the hole and it was slack. I was the third man. When we got to the hole, Victor was looking in trying to figure out how to pass the restriction and kept moving the line back and forth forcing me to keep crossing under the line. This was all taking place at like 330ft in my rebreather with bailout. To say the least, it was a little stressful. After sometime of watching them and getting very upset about having to repeatedly cross under the line and wasting my dive time, I hit my turn time and called my dive.
After calling the dive, the dream skipped right to the point I was out of the water and laying in bed continuing to decompress, at which time I noticed I had forgotten to wear my X1 and I never set my PO2 above .4. Actually, I realized that I hadn't ever looked at my PO2. I decided that I must have followed Santiago's open circuit schedule and I was freaking out. (When I woke up my jaw was sore from being clenched.) I wanted to get out of bed to check how much deco I had omitted, though I didn't know what set points to use. And I couldn't figure out when laying in bed had become part of deco. I knew I should be bent in the dream and I kept checking my right elbow. The dream ended with me thinking to myself that it was awesome that I wasn't bent and that I had gotten lucky.
What a wild dream! Well, it was for me. If you have ever had a really crazy diving dream, please post it as a comment. If it is really long and interesting, you can email it to me at hans@quietdiver.com and I will post it as an article.
And to tie things off, right before going to sleep last night I watched "Pod Cisnieniem" or "Under Pressure". It is a movie (DVD) about an open circuit depth record dive by a Polish team in the Red Sea. I got the movie from Patrick who was teaching Jacek Szymczak this week. Jacek is the deep diver in the movie. Watching the movie really got me amped up and I think it inspired my dream about The Pit. I love the idea of participating in a big project like that and supporting something extraordinary. With any luck, I will have the opportunity one day.
Unfortunately, the trailer is in Polish. However, the DVD is subtitled in English and well worth watching. Here is the trailer for the movie:
In another coincidence, Leigh Cunningham, the deep support diver, was Patrick's trimix instructor in Egypt. It was really cool to see his instructor in action. I hope you enjoy the movie as much as I did!
January 30, 2009 1 Comment

















